Just a few random comments:

The Wii is not following in the footsteps of GC. It’s following the footsteps of the NES.

Did the definition of niche change? I thought niche was, well, something really small? By this definition, right now the 360 and the PS3s are in the niche. So the definition is reversed now?

Lastly, PS3 is $3 Billion in the red.

Sean Malstrom FTW. Go read up on him.

He’s someone who is too stubborn to admit nintendo will win. Even when the wii has surpassed a million consoles sold in 4 years. He’ll be talking trash even when the 360 is at 46 million, the PS3 is at 52 million, and the wii is at 100 million. Just watch. He’ll still be trashing the wii even though it is the best selling console.

Just ignore him, he can;t make an objective opinion. He’s a fanboy and no amount of factual information will change that. All fanboys tend to make irrational arguments with no facts.

…You were saying?

you also make it seem like the ds is in trouble by saying “the big problem with the ds”

Im sorry the ds is doing fine and dandy by it self in case you have not noticed. Its the psp that needs help or have you been living under a rock for the past three years?

the ds out sells the psp in europe, america and australia and its almost neck and neck in japan. I would hardly use the word “destroys” to emphasive the psp’s sales when the DS out sells it by a large margin world wide.

Meh, i dont think so so far it cant even outsell the PSP in Japan, PSP is twice the price of the nds and it still destroys that.

the big problem with the nds is the lack of AAA games and mature ones for real gamers.

the DS’s sales are expected to surpas sony’s ps2 100 million record……… just thought Id let you know.

LMAO that poor nintendog got raped lol.

by the way nintendo fanboys since you love to talk about sales let me know when nintendo gets a console that can sell more then 100+ million.

plenty of games are easy to pick up and play but that does not make them casual games. Take the metal slug franchise for example but that is not aimed at the casual audiance. Trust me people play super smash bros cronicaly. Something that is usually a miss in casual games. I still find your perception of brawl being a casual game a bit well weird.

Also in order to understand the mammoth heap of unlockable stuff in brawl you need to have been a hardcore gamer with knowledge of Nintendo’s history. Another example of this game being aimed at the hardcore crowd.

3.6 million copies on day one, which is $310 million. At the end of the first week sales reached 6 million which is $500 million in sales smashing every previous record by a large margin.

This is a hardcore game folks. No Wii game will ever see sales of this magnitude and that is due to Nintendo’s target market being the casual gamer.

It all comes down to how one views “hardcore/casual games”. To me, a game that is easy to pick up and play with little to no story depth is a casual game……this fits Smash Bros perfectly.

I will say it is the “hardcore game” of the Wii…….but thats not saying much now is it. In the general term, and compared to hardcore games across all platforms I have to say it is not a hardcore game.

I view metroid and zelda as hardcore games, as they have deep story lines that immerse you for extended periods of time.

Brawl is almost the exact same as the first one and melee except its got more charecters, better graphics, online play and improved gameplay.

I have absolutely no idea why he would belive the likes of Super Smash Bros Brawl to be a casual game like wii fit, brain training, eye training and several cheesy party games like rayman raving rabbids.

You are one very deluded individual John

Are you also saying that people play brawl as a one of when friends come over like wii sports. Im sorry but again you are wrong. From personal experience Ive played melee to death and in europe there is still a large amount of people that play it until brawl comes out.

I belive that you seem to disreguard super smash bros, one of the most succesful fighting franchises ever, as a mere casual and party game. Like rayman raving rabbids.

“It is not a hardcore game, why you would think it is, is beyond me.”

There are a few hardcore games on the wii like no more heroes but since its on the wii it must be casual.

So please tell me why you think a long established hardcore gamer franchise is now casual?

There is still a significantly large portion of hardcore gamers in the wii. Just in the minority.

And the super smash bros franchise has been here way longer than when this whole casual gamer thing came out.

Why do you think it is a casual game I am, generally interested?

Even Nintendo them selfs said that it was for the hardcore crowd.

And you say since its on the wii and nintendo wants to capture the casual crowd you seem to think that its a casual game. So what next? Was metroid prime 3 a casual game? How about Zelda?

Im sorry but I honestly can not see why you belive its a casual game. Its more or less the same as its predesesors but they where viewed as hardcore games.

I didn’t forget the price difference, which is why I was only using the income to derive the units sold, which were much much much higher.

Im sorry…….but you can’t honestly be comparing the half ass story mode of Brawl to Halo…….seriously? Was it gripping with giant cliffhangers leaving you begging for more?? Haha no. The story mode is not the selling point of Super Smash Bros, it never has been.

Sure they play it years later, it’s a party game that is fun to play when everyone is over. People still play Halo long after it’s release……..yet they will play it alone for hours on end…….see the difference?

You guys keep trying to put words in my mouth that I never said. I never said that it outsold Brawl due to income.

Kyle I already pointed out that Halo 3 beat Brawl in both worldwide and just in the US. First week sales of Halo 3 in the US alone were 3.2 million copies. While Brawl only managed 2.7 million for the entire month for Canada and the US combined.

You completely disregarded the facts that I clearly put in front of you. You thought there was only a difference of a few hundred thousand, instead it was a few million.

Also, Brawl does have a 5-8 hour long story mode, but you wouldn’t know that if you didn’t play it.

Besides, I’m sure that people still play Smash Bros long after it’s released because you can still trade in Melee for $15 at Gamestop 7 years after it’s release in 2001.

Actually, it still would have set the Highest grossing opening day. Halo 2 had the record for highest grossing opening day at $125 million, which Halo 3 beat by $45 million. Then there is still the debate on whether or not the Harry Potter books were the real victors, but thats a whole different argument.

At the very least it would have matched Halo 2’s sales, although I believe it would have exceeded it simply because the ending of Halo 2 was such a cliffhanger.

Brawl could have had more hype then Halo 3, but it still wouldnt have sold much more then it has. Why? Because of it’s market and the type of game it is.

Brawl is a game you can pick up and play with ease, yet it has no story etc. It’s not like Halo which has this epic story of human survival etc etc where you cant wait to see what happens next. With Halo 3 everyone had been waiting since Halo 2 to see what would happen next. With Brawl…..there is no expanding story from one game to the next, no cliffhanger leaving you hungry for more, which is a reason many have said the Brawl series although fun is starting to get old.

Brawl itself just didnt have the appeal to generate sales like Halo 3, it didn’t have the following, which is why extra hype would not of helped it much in comparison to Halo 3.